Ah, batteries. They always die sooner than you think, right? Not this one! Called Karpen’s Pile, this battery has been working uninterrupted. Anyone not familiar with “Karpen’s Pile” might want to do a quick search before reading the rest of this, you just need to spend 30 seconds. Directory:Karpen’s Pile — A Battery That Has Produced Energy Continuously Since s. Lasted edited by Andrew Munsey, updated on June 15, at

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For the discussion of piile sciences. Kaepen problems, chemistry equations, biology weirdness, it all goes here. Just enough to get familiar with that thing commonly referred to as a “battery”, containing gold, platinum and sulfuric acid. Language will be kept Very simple, in part because I’m a simple guy, pioe you don’t need to worry too much about any of this being too complicated for you.

In fact after reading this you might even think I’m a bit dense. For almost two decades I have toyed with piile idea ppile finding a way to harvest more useful energy from just molecular movement; basically turning heat into electricity.

I always figured this would be easiest to accomplish by using a layer of atoms that have a far out electron shell with a single electron that is able to “jump off” comparatively easily without destabilizing the atoms molecular bindings, resulting in the electron getting “trapped” in another medium plle transferred to another conducting layer, I think you get the picture. For the odd electron to get smacked out of orbit from the first layer my guess was that it could be done by ;ile a liquid or gas that would provide a constant bombardment of molecules Unfortunately I never really managed to get along with many of my teachers and karpfn many classes mostly due to lack of effort, this all contributed to me not having much food for my thoughts and most theories I came up with never got far.

I recently read an article about “the battery that has been going for 60 years” and as I examined the “Karpen’s Pile” more closely, my jaw just dropped.

I thought to myself “either gold or platinum MUST have the ability to lose electrons with little effort” and immediately dug up a periodic table As I examined their electron shells it suddenly dawned on me, platinum is used in catalytic converters because of its abilty to ionize almost anything it comes into contact with!

Next on my list was the sulfuric acid, could it be the ultimate electron thief? Looking closely at the molecule and reading some related material I realised that sulfuric acid has a iarpen strong difference in electric charge when comparing one end to the other, and the molecule itself should be big enough to absorb an extra electron if it would be applied to the positive end of the molecule. Both platinum and gold are also otherwise unaffected by sulfuric pils.

Now, did I just answer what is going on with a 60 year old mystery by writing this short piece of text that anyone with any decent education can understand completely in a matter of minutes? IF my theory is completely accurate, we already had the ability to turn heat into electricity for 60 years but we were too incredibly dense to get it until karpeh.

The original design is extremely ineffective compared to its size probably due to limitations of that era but today with a proper factory we could instead produce very small devices giving a whole lot more power with layers of gold an platinum that need only be a few atoms thick! Does anyone here have the ability to put my theory to the karrpen I wouldn’t mind worldwide fame but the most important thing is to spread this knowledge until Anyone can get pretty much Unlimited electrical power anywhere in the world without destroying any more of our ozone layer.

I apologize profusely for calling this a “theory”, it was a mistake on my behalf because I’m a dense dumbass and I feel very very bad about this, can you find it in your hearts to forgive me so we can get on with our lives now please?

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Last edited by MrAwesome on Sun Jan 30, 4: Anyone not familiar with “Karpen’s Pile” might want to do a quick search before reading the rest of this, you just need to spend 30 seconds reading to get the basic kafpen. Unless stated otherwise, I do not care whether a statement, by itself, constitutes a persuasive political argument. I care whether it’s true. Not pioe can you tell things from things, you can recognize when a thing is a thing.

“The battery that isn’t a battery” – my own simple theory. – xkcd

You don’t have a theory, you have a crackpot hypothesis with no verifiable experimental underpinnings. Is this something you could actually build to test your hypothesis? Crackpot might be a bit of editorialising, but TMT hits a valid point – a theory has verifiable evidence supporting it.

Great, but it doesn’t larpen answer the question – if you want to know if it will work, why can’t it be built so that there is experimental proof? One might think that in 60 years someone who tried to duplicate Karpen’s Pile would have granted the world valuable information about it but I have never heard of such a thing for some reason? The thing is, piel are many regulars here who do, in fact, have relevant degrees which means they’ve studied the fallacies as well as the truths.

And they are pretty damn tired of people who say “hey, I read a kwrpen or a wiki page, or a website, or two or four of each and I think I’ve found something that science has overlooked! There are marpen of very smart, very educated, very determined grad students who are all trying to become the next Einstein or Karpdn or Feynman or Bohr or Gell-Mann or Crick or So don’t take this personally, but you’re really unlikely to have found something that no one else knows about.

You’re much, much more likely to have found something that has been already disproven and are oarpen fed your ideas from a crackpot’s rambling on this or that subject. MrAwesome, it might help you to know that the xkcd forums are regularly bombarded by people who, while they don’t actually have a degree in the subject they’re talking about, nevertheless think they’ve found something awesome that they want others to be excited about, too.

You’d still think you were right? Ordinary science can produce this pioe of thing just fine. Some people tell me I laugh too much.

To them I say, “ha ha ha! Gold leaf is really cheap, and gold-plated things are also really cheap around here, you typically get a gold-plated connector any time you buy audio equipment.

I also have trouble believing it is illegal to get sulfuric acid in Sweden — if not, what do you use in your car batteries? And if it is, then how do they expect people to do chemistry experiments? It wouldn’t actually be that expensive to test a gold-platinum battery. Either way, when you do that, the metal gives up the electron and goes into solution with the Sulphuric acid, and sits around there.

Which is pretty much what you were thinking about when you said ‘soaked up’. When that happens, the only way you’re going to get the gold back is if you can reverse the process, which requires you to input exactly the same amount of energy you got before. Basically, the first law of thermodynamics does exist; you can’t get something from nothing.

More importantly, you can’t ‘lose electrons but not atoms’; you have to get electrons from somewhere, and most of the electrons you see on Earth are sitting in orbit around atoms.

Once you take the electron from the gold or the platinum, you won’t get another except in some cases, e. Magnesium, where you get 2 electrons. But I’m not even sure if that’s going to happen, because I think that both gold and platinum hold their electrons too tight for the sulphuric acid to kkarpen it. So chances are that it’s not going to do anything.

As for the Karpen Pile, my best guess is that it has a rather long lifespan just because there’s not much of an energy requirement; I. I’d kxrpen doubt it’s a perpetual motion machine.


Oh yea, obviously they wouldn’t know Griffiths from Sakurai if I were throwing them at them. I completely understand your point regarding how I might seem rude, but how the pilee I have been able to present my “theory” to anyone if everyone with enough education and brainpower to understand it has to take it completely personal for no damn reason? I’ve been fixing karlen computers for 15 years but I sure as hell don’t get mad if someone asks me what would happen if you changed a fan and if it would provide better airflow to a critical part.

Frankly I thought highly of the people here BEFORE they “opened their mouths”, suddenly most of them seem just like any unpleasant bastards one might encounter anywhere, not a damn thing about them indicates any civilised behavior. Why is it so impossible for you to grasp that it actually could be this simple? I would kindly ask that you and TMT direct your eyes and feast upon your glorious victory at the very end of my first post. Know this, when I was 12 years old I wondered if laser could be used to make an electrical discharge follow a certain path through air.

A decade later – a few years ago krpen I read an article about how the US military was experimenting with this very idea and said they were making progress. Guess the US military is a bunch of uneducated crackpot retards with too much imagination too. Again, thank you for not treating me like I have no idea what I’m talking about, I wish happiness and prosperity for you.

Attach lead of voltmeter to gold.

Dip acid-reistant cloth in sulfuric acid. Set on top of gold foil. Place platinum on top of cloth. Pioe other lead of voltmeter to platinum. It’s actually sucking away voltage! We could use this to send a signal to them!

Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies have nothing to lose but their chains -Marx. Look up the Peltier-Seebeck effect.

Karpen’s Pile: A Battery That Produces Energy Continuously Since 1950 Exists in Romanian Museum

That was like a roller coaster of mathematical reasoning. It’s kind of sad and funny at the same time. By the way, I figured out how it works. It’s pilee an impossibility to harvest the energy that marpen “out there”. But it is to make a forever lasting plle system battery. It’s all physics and stamp collecting. It’s not a particle or a wave. It’s just an exchange. AA cells can be up in to mA-hours. If you draw a significant current from a Karpen pile, how many hours must pass before you find that it has higher capacity than the best modern battery technology?

Or said another way: Have it run some kaepen incandescent bulbs xmas tree bulbs. Science Hobbyist page http: To be fair, even perfectly friendly antimatter wildebeests are pretty deadly. So, the answer is “at least years” for appropriate values of “significant current.

The Oxford Electric Bell has been running for years now. It’s actually pretty interesting how it’s supposed to work. Google ‘graphene battery’ and watch what pops up. Um, while you guys were piling discouragement krpen the ‘crackpot’ who started the thread, it seems as if a team of researchers at Hong Kong Polytechnic was working on pretty much this very idea.

If someone says they want to turn heat into electricity, they probably mean “without an exchange reservoir”.

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If that’s what they really mean, then they should be immediately directed to the Brownian ratchet and asked to please investigate it until they realize why it will not work. I had a great rant written up when I realized how ancient the OP was. The thread is more than 4 years old and was started by an OP who quit when we wouldn’t take his baseless hypothesis seriously enough. I don’t really see any reason to keep it unlocked.